This afternoon I gave a talk at The Troy New York
Public Library introducing the new book, “Out of the Woods” published by
Central Recovery Press.
Part of the talk included some history of
Alcoholics Anonymous and how it integrates Albany history, Carl Jung and The
Oxford Group—an evangelical, Christian sect that was lifesaving for Roland
Hazard, then Ebby Thacher and ultimately Bill Wilson and Bob Smith.
Many folks in recovery and almost no one outside
of recovery knows that early history, and that Bill and Bob were part of the
Oxford Group, and the debt we all owe to their yes, religious fundamentalism in
the 1930’s.
But we need only read the Six Steps of the Oxford
Group to see how deeply indebted we are. Here are those Six Steps that Oxford
Group members used for the purposes of religious conversion:
The Oxford Group’s Six Steps
1.
A Complete deflation.
2.
Dependence on God.
3.
A Moral inventory.
4.
Confession.
5.
Restitution.
6.
Continued work with others in need.
AA also benefited from mistakes made by the Oxford Group. One reason the
Oxford movement no longer exits is because they got all tangled up in politics,
international affairs and had opinions on all manner of public matters.
Today, AA has as one of its Traditions this statement: “AA has no opinion
on outside issues.” A lesson that AA learned from The Oxford Group.
55 comments:
The Oxford group didn't have 6 steps
28 principles according to Anne Smith. (or 29)
The 5 "C"s
The 4 absolutes for our actions
Dick B (just one example)
has delved into the Oxford Drunk Squad and their influence on AA. Unfortunately, AA approved literature is more about the suppression of the truth than historical fact.
Dick B.
"...as I dived into Oxford Group research. I saw the surgery come together piece by piece: (1) Sin was the problem. (2) Sin was anything that blocked you from God or other people. (3) To do God’s will, you had to cut out sin. (4) The "art" of Soul Surgery, as Buchman called it, was to cut sin out of your life by an incisive "surgical" process that began with surrender of your life to God’s care and direction and then utilizing the power of God to cut out sin. (5) You did that, said Buchman and his colleagues, by the Five C’s–Confidence, Confession, Conviction, Conversion, and Conservation [later called "Continuance"]. (6) The process also involved making amends or restitution, seeking God’s guidance, continuing with a daily surrender, passing it on, and living by the spiritual principles of the Bible.
It didn’t take me long to see that these were the heart ideas of our Twelve Steps as Bill heard the instructions from Ebby Thacher, Rowland Hazard, Shep Cornell, Victor Kitchen, the Twitchells, Rev. and Mrs. W. Irving Harris, Sam Shoemaker, and Bill’s other Oxford Group friends of the mid-1930's.
Dick B. "
Thanks for this information. I’ve been sober 9 years and along the way, I began to realize how paramount the relationship with God was. I noticed a lot of “works based recovery” around me- people suggesting their sobriety was strong because of how many meetings they attended, how many sponsees they had, how “good” their share was in a meeting, etc. These are all good things, but I’ve always felt it was the relationship with God that makes or breaks it all. I’m so grateful to say that along the way in my sobriety, I became a born again Christian. Diane and Marshall’s capturing of the Oxford group says it all- there is sin that we are unable to stay free from. Much of this sin is obsessive and compulsive dependence on drugs, alcohol, etc. and not on God. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself so that we can call upon him for strength in our sin problem. When I did this, I discovered a whole new relationship with God. A whole new recovery. If anyone reads this, know this: I spent my whole life denouncing Jesus and His existence. One day, I made a choice to pray to my “Higher Power of My Own Understanding” to just ask if this whole Jesus thing was real (in my heart I was sure it wasn’t). The next week and half I was filled with what can only be described as supernatural live and peace. I started to crack the Bible and realized everything Jesus said and was this peace and love I was feeling. I also learned that anyone who knocks at His door He will answer and he will bring spiritual nourishment to them. Nourishment that is unlike anything without Him. If you think I’m full of crap, I understand. I encourage you to not write off the possibility of Christ in your life-simply be willing to make the ask to Him if He is real and see what may happen!
The Oxford Group is still around, it has just gone through some renaming. It was called "Moral Re-Armament" in 1938 and then "Initiatives of Change" in 2001. Certainly A.A. didn't "learn" anything from the Oxford Group if by that you mean no outside opinions. Sure A.A., has the 12 traditions, but that didn't come out of the Oxford Group or any of its changes.
Semper Fi. One day @ a time
I think everyone in AA owes a big thank you to the Oxford group. Without them Ebby would never have heard the message. It then would never have been told to Bill, and with Dr. Bob been turned into the great organization that saves lives daily. I for one am so grateful to them, for without their group we would all still be suffering from this horrible affliction.
Also I love reading history, true history.
I really wish there was a group I could attend that are practicing these spiritual steps!! Apparently, it just died out and AA took over???
Such a group is this is starting October 2 every Tuesday night in Surrey BC at Newton easy does it club 7 PM Tuesday nights hope to see you there. For more details call Vincent at 778-834-7064.
These six steps, which are referenced on page 263 of the Big Book (4th Ed.), were developed by early AA members, before the Big Book. The Twelve Steps were developed in the process of writing the Big Book in late 1938 (published 1939), and clearly evolved from and expanded these six steps.
The Oxford Group is alive and well although changed/modernized somewhat under a new name "Initiatives of Change" or IofC.
Start one. I've been doing one in St.louis.
Theres a " Cult " in AA called " Back to basics by Willy P. . He wrote his own Big Book and others plus CD . They use the 6 tenants of the Wxford group . He started his AA way in 1995 but like the old saying goes " If I taint broke dont fix it " and this is what hes trying to do !)
Is it the Cult group Back to basics by Wally P. ?
They were called the 6 Tenant .
The "SIX TENETS".. principles generally held to be true. For the members of the Oxford Group, at the time, to be sure. Before the watering down began, which changed how we see such things, in modern A.A. As someone mentioned: the OG is still alive and well, not dead. As not said, so far: there is no "cult" in A.A. - but there are some folks who have realized how much has fallen through the cracks with the A.A. web spreading wider, and these folks try to bring back what is still essential to real alcoholics really recovering.. at their deepest level of existence. Why anyone would find fault with that I haven't a clue..
AA if it isnt broken dont fix it . Back to basics by Wally P. Is a cult with in AA that wants to go back and use the 6 tenants . Also they follow Wally P books not AA .
The trrue amount or degree of how the 12 steps of AA has helped human beings all around this planet has not yet been fully realized in my opinion. I don’t have proof of This, but I believe that is has saved more lives, and in general helped more people ( in ways that some have difficulty understanding) than any other organization in the history of the world. When you consider the families that were helped, saved, enlightened, educated; and then when you consider that there are nearly 100 other 12 step groups in the world today that all still continue to save and dramatically help lives and families, The number of individuals whose lives have been saved or greatly improved by these steps is higher than probably any of us can possibly fathom.
I don’t know about this culture you speak of, I guess I just never have heard it talked about in the AA group that I attend. I do know this, there has never been another program, medicine, treatment, therapy, etc. That his help as many people to recover from a hopeless state of mind and body then the 12 step groups.
Theres 2 kind of Monopolies in AA in the Big Book read them . Also Dr. Bob said in 1935 that we are not the only way to get sober . Read Dr. Bob and the good oldtimers. Also look up the " Back to basics by Wally P " he is trying to fix AA his way .
Celebrate Recovery is Bible centric with the 12 steps. Very similar to AA, but openly Christian
we practice these principles in Danville Pa
Back to Basics means. Back to the Big Book. Which is how Dr Bob and the Oldtimers "Recovered"
true
they just do not understand and are doing the best they can
false. Back to Basic uses the Big Book and has a 75+ sucess rate. If you study it you will see it says to follow the Big Book and not misguided opinions of those who deviate from the program
we had Walley P come an do a workshop for us. The only material we used was the book. Alcoholics Anonymous. Anyone trying to bring AA back to its bacic text is on a good path
surrendering to God,taking inventory and making restitution will give anyone a spiritual awakening. Showing others will insure the awakening grows
I’m grateful to all who have worked to recover. It had all helped to build AA.
What does it matter whether or not AA is directly tied to the OG (😆) or how? That debate could go on & on. All I know, is that I tried & tried to get & stay sober, & AA was & still is the only thing that works. So I do that. I folow directions. It is opening up my life & it is awesome. And I respect anyone who is doing the same through whatever means works for them. Know history & be grateful is my personal approach
So do we give credit to the non alcoholic for helping the alcoholic to recover? I could never understand why we label them "earthlings" or saying that "they"(non alcoholics) don't get it. They obviously "get it" as far as Im concerned and by and through these 6 Steps, Bill, with Guidance was able to come up with a solution(s) for all that would help them recover, putting God first of course.
I realize credit is not important where the essential of Humility is a basis and essential for recovery, but when I hear these labels, the misunderstandings of our history, I think credit should be given where credit is due. Thank you Oxford Group for those 6 steps which I believe are the substance of which we do recover. Oxford wrote the Steps, Bill reworked the steps...Thank God I am clean ad sober today!
This is your typical alcoholic thread. Over-analyzing the great fact that God has revolutionized Our Lives. How he chooses to do it and who he chooses to use is his business not ours.
I don’t agree that god is the number one ingredient to staying sober. I and many others who do not use a god of our understanding have stayed sober for many years and died sober as well. There are over 500 secular groups in the world. It amazes me how many folks do not know about them, or acknowledge them, and how some denounce them as not real AA. Tradition 3 says otherwise.
They learned not to do what the Oxford group did like their political views.
Wally P and his back to basics cult are a dangerous lot. His close associates refer to him as the "Messiah of AA" and if that does not warn you of the danger nothing will. This is a cult that has learned from the mistakes of others and it operates covertly in the fellowship. It would not last 5 minutes if it came out in the open. AA recommends that the Big Book is meant for personal study and interpretation. B2B advocates the opposite which enables it to use the BB as a tool to brainwash people and to tell people that if they buy Wally Ps books, audios etc, etc they will be working the program in the real original and authentic way plus when you lay yr bucks out and do it the Wally P fast track way you will be'cured'in a matter of weeks and therefore will have superior form of sobriety. Hence the reason we have B2B ego tripping monsters who cannot be reasoned with, and who daily give the fellowship a bad name.
I have used Wally P. for the chronic relapser. It gets them through the steps fairly quickly, releasing from big spiritual blockages. They feel a relief. Then we go through the book of AA, word by word. They are more at ease with the process. the "Wally P" version requires you to use the BB of AA, you cannot complete the process without the BB's guideance..
Our book is suggestive only
While there are differences, the AA program is clearly a spiritual based program that tells one they MUST find a Higher Power and/or God of their choosing. While it may not fit the restrictive models of organized religion, it's certainly aimed at bring one closer to God.
Who wrote Oxford groups 6 steps or was it a joint effort
Frank Buchman
Many more young people and relapsers who die when they go back out could be helped by shortening the message to six steps and not depending on some peer sponsor to do the work that a professional should do. People die on the 4th step. Why drag it out? If rehabs are paid for, why aren't they going through step work with addicts? Why depend on some unpaid person to do the work with the addict? I get it works for lots of people. I also get that there is a lot of avoidable suffering in this method of bringing 12 redundant steps to a stranger to get you through. It is broken for many people, so i say it is fixable.
Also the amount of addicts who have ADD is overwhelming. Zone in on the core focus and maybe have greater success. 1.Confession 2. Believe in a power greater 3. Let that power redeem you. 4. Take inventory of self 5. Pray 6. Help others
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Thank you for acknowledging Secular AA!
Dr. Bob did not recover with the Big Book
I attended an event with one of the Oxford Group members, Lavina, in 1994 at her home in Dayton, Ohio. She was around 90ish. The event was a Bible study and a carry-in dinner. I was Blessed to be invited by Alex, another, AA.
Bill wilson didn't recover either, he was dropping LSD with timothy leary in the 60s giving it to people in AA to have a spiritual awakening
No, Wally P does not want to go back to the 6 tenants. that is incorrect.
"Back to basics" means back to the TWELCE STEPS.
If that is considered a cult- then AA has SERIOUS problems.
My thesis in college was The Pre Existence Condition of Alcoholics Anonymous back in 1983.
this is my heritage of spiritually minded people who make me who I am today.
"our liquor is just a symptom of deep underlying problems we had to get to our causes and condition we are now at step 4.
This a spiritual life, Trust God (Good Orderly Direction), Clean house, help others one day at a time. I have lived a spiritual lifestyle for 0ver 45 years of sobriety. Life and Love daily. Keep coming back to keep what I have I have to give back I am always spiritually replenished one day at a time
Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
Not drinking or not sinning is not living a sober Christian life. I believe the 6 steps of the Oxford Group came from Romans 12. It is a total life changing experience.
Check out Celebrate Freedom. C3 Church Troy, Mo. From recovery to freedom.
In the Uk...certain meetings are classed as cult meetings by the GSO,York....and i know this to be true,they use...inventory,confession,and MUST convert another,known by me as 4,5 and 12...thats why the newcomer is on Step 4 a month into recovery....Do me a favour...
In our AA BB the chapter There. Is A Solution speaks of the Fellowship and of believing in a Power great than ourselves. Also in Bill’s Story, he states ““We meet frequently so that newcomers may find the fellowship they seek. At these informal gatherings one may often see from 50 to 200 persons”*. Furthermore, in the Chapter Into Action, he states ““We feel a man is unthinking when he says that sobriety is enough. He is like the farmer who came up out of his cyclone cellar to find his home ruined. To his wife, he remarked, “Don’t see anything the matter here, Ma. Ain’t it grand the wind stopped blowin’?”” “It is easy to let up on the spiritual program of action and rest on our laurels. We are headed for trouble if we do, for alcohol is a subtle foe. We are not cured of alcoholism. What we really have is a daily reprieve contingent on the maintenance of our spiritual condition. Every day is a day when we must carry the vision of God’s will into all of our activities. “How can I best serve Thee—Thy will (not mine) be done.” These are thoughts which must go with us constantly.” These references and many more in our literary described “precisely” how they recover and stay enlarge their spiritual contact.
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Thanks to early members of course Bill & Bob, though Members like Dick B. This message has continued to be passed on, something in me wants to scream at times how that face to face, one alcoholic to another with a common accord to have the presence of God in the midst being lost! I must remember the early members faced every conceivable question or circumstance which has become our Traditions! The group consciousness that can use the Traditions and Principles as their guide and in one accord with One Ultimate Authority can address anything that comes up! 🙏✌️
👍 That’s where our singleness of purpose came from! The need to focus on the problem at hand, before spiritual principles could be applied! Remember, most Oxford Group members were not alcoholic and did not have to detox from alcohol, they were there to become better people than they were! Once the drink problem is removed then the focus is on Spiritual wellness can be applied
ABSOLUTELY! The ripple effect of Spiritual transformations has no end! In the Temporal realm any action will affect those close and may affect a few we don't know though even goods deeds will dissipate in the physical world and Eternal in the Spititual! I.e. a smile passed from one to another in the spiritual has endless Power!
Thank you for your Share!
Read up on Jim Burwell. Read Bill’s own words after the BB was published. Atheists and Agnostics have been in the meeting since the beginning. The Chapter to the Agnostics is disingenuous because Bill wrote it and he never was agnostic. It reads like a conversion experience. Guess what?? You don’t have to believe in God to stay sober. I’m just as Atheist as I was 4 years ago. Using the fellowship as a HP works perfectly fine.
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